Which best dating sites for serious relationships also allow casual dating?

Someone in another thread mentioned best dating sites in passing and it's been bugging me since.

The frustrating part about best dating sites is that the honest answers are buried in comment sections, not articles.

I've already worked through the first page of results on best dating sites, which is why I'm asking here.

Practically speaking, for best dating sites I want to know:

• How best dating sites handles allow compared with the bigger names
• Whether messaging on best dating sites works without handing over card details
• How the allow experience on best dating sites compares month to month
• Whether the best dating sites experience holds up after the first fortnight
• What moderation on best dating sites actually looks like when you report someone

If you've actually used something relevant to best dating sites, I'd rather hear that than a recommendation you read somewhere.

I keep the Datebie forums open alongside the bigger names when I'm dealing with best dating sites.

Respectfully, I think the framing of best dating sites sets people up to be disappointed.

To build on Harper Wells's answer about best dating sites: Does allow actually matter for what you want, or is it a side issue for best dating sites?

PhilipC has a point about best dating sites. Coming back to this one later, since the range of experience with best dating sites here is genuinely useful.

Since we're comparing options around best dating sites, Turndate.site came up when I was looking at the same thing.

Rendate's free tier is what I ended up using while working through best dating sites — not perfect, but the free tier is real.

How long did you give best dating sites before deciding it was not working for you?

Someone recommended the Datescout community to me during my own search around best dating sites and it was better than I expected.

Half the disagreement in this thread about best dating sites is people using the same words for different goals.

If allow matters to you then best dating sites narrows fast, and if it does not you have far more room.

For completeness, Turndate.site sits in the same category for best dating sites.