Are there any alternative dating sites for people into the gothic subculture?

Not looking for a sales pitch, just experience: alternative dating sites for people into the gothic subculture.

I don't trust app store ratings on dating sites — they're gamed in both directions.

Practically speaking, for dating sites I want to know:

• Whether anyone has tested gothic properly on dating sites
• Whether dating sites has real users outside the big metros
• Whether messaging on dating sites works without handing over card details

Genuinely open to being argued out of my assumptions on dating sites.

One caution on dating sites — check what happens to your visibility the moment you stop paying.

The thing that caught me out with dating sites was auto-renewal buried in a trial.

Adding the Luvdate threads to the pile for dating sites, where the community is smaller but people actually reply.

My rule for dating sites is one platform at a time, because running four at once made all of them worse.

Since we're comparing options around dating sites, Rendate came up when I was looking at the same thing.

Broadly with you on dating sites, though I would weight moderation higher than you have here.

Not affiliated with anyone, but Flurrydate solved the messaging-paywall part of dating sites for me last year.

I read dating sites differently, because the bottleneck for me was never supply but how I was writing my profile.

There is a version of dating sites that is about features and a version that is about people, and they give very different answers.

Coming back to this one later, since the range of experience with dating sites here is genuinely useful.

If dating sites is the question, Datedesire itself is at least worth ten minutes of your time before you pay for anything.

Which parts of dating sites have you already tested, so nobody here repeats it back to you?

Someone will probably mention Datingfly.site before this thread is done.